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		<title>By: hermes replication</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-3031</link>
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		<title>By: shyamwolfstrider</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1825</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sammcnerney</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1594</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Callum, 

Thanks for your comment. It was thoughtful of you. However, I am having trouble understanding your criticism. I certainly don&#039;t deny that one can be spiritual without religion, neither does Haidt. 

I would also add that group-selection seems to be making a bit of a come back. The evo. biology communitiy not liking Wilson&#039;s ideas is the not the same as them being right. At the very least, Wilson&#039;s ideas do not ignore decades of research. He isn&#039;t that naive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callum, </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. It was thoughtful of you. However, I am having trouble understanding your criticism. I certainly don&#8217;t deny that one can be spiritual without religion, neither does Haidt. </p>
<p>I would also add that group-selection seems to be making a bit of a come back. The evo. biology communitiy not liking Wilson&#8217;s ideas is the not the same as them being right. At the very least, Wilson&#8217;s ideas do not ignore decades of research. He isn&#8217;t that naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Callum James Hackett</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callum James Hackett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, this is an extremely important point. I always find it a great shame when people knock Enlightenment values on the basis that they are emotionally shallow or cannot contribute to human culture as well as they do human knowledge. Instead, I find that the purpose and application of the kind of rationality it supports is to help us feel connected with the universe we find ourselves in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is an extremely important point. I always find it a great shame when people knock Enlightenment values on the basis that they are emotionally shallow or cannot contribute to human culture as well as they do human knowledge. Instead, I find that the purpose and application of the kind of rationality it supports is to help us feel connected with the universe we find ourselves in.</p>
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		<title>By: Fast T Friend</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very aptly said, Callum. I would add another aspect to your &#039;trio&#039;, in relation to the question (from the post): &quot;But are we ignoring our innate desire to be part of something greater?&quot; 

By no means! We are in fact employing said desire every time we pursue common goals as well as our innermost aspirations. When we aim to deeper, wider, less constricted view of the universe and our life in it. 

The very idea of being &#039;part of&#039; and the very concept of &#039;something greater&#039; are expressing our abilities to shape a direction to our cognitive power engines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very aptly said, Callum. I would add another aspect to your &#8216;trio&#8217;, in relation to the question (from the post): &#8220;But are we ignoring our innate desire to be part of something greater?&#8221; </p>
<p>By no means! We are in fact employing said desire every time we pursue common goals as well as our innermost aspirations. When we aim to deeper, wider, less constricted view of the universe and our life in it. </p>
<p>The very idea of being &#8216;part of&#8217; and the very concept of &#8216;something greater&#8217; are expressing our abilities to shape a direction to our cognitive power engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Callum James Hackett</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callum James Hackett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally think you have some concepts tangled up and so do &quot;New Atheism&quot; a little injustice. I would want to point out distinctions between three things, the third of which you don&#039;t mention at all (though you presumably fall under it):

1) Organised religion. The definition is obvious enough - specific sects of religious belief which make claims about events within and the functioning of our universe.

2) Religiosity. The more general predisposition to religious belief, which is characterised by faith in supernatural occurrences, and which many atheists argue is an evolutionary by-product.

3) A non-religious sense of awe and transcendence. This is the most important thing in this discussion, as many people allow religion a monopoly on our immense feelings of wonder and the bonding it permits. In fact, religiosity and/or organised religion are not necessary for their appreciation or manifestation. So while Haidt can argue that religion provides an avenue for their expression, it is not the ONLY one - non-religious ones are possible, as evidenced by the majority of atheists who adore art, culture, and the cosmos. Religiosity, therefore, is rightly viewed as a complex façade which takes advantage of more basic, non-religious, innate impulses.

Given this, I find it much less disingenuous to refer to this complex cultural feeling as the numinous, or as transcendence, rather than &quot;religiosity&quot; - the latter term is as useless as &quot;spirituality&quot; and, by association, lends credibility to organised religion, the claims of which would still not be true even if religiosity were biologically selected for.

I would also point out that the Wilsons&#039; ideas are enormously disliked by the biological community, and the arguments for religiosity from a group-selection perspective ignore decades of advances in evolutionary understanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think you have some concepts tangled up and so do &#8220;New Atheism&#8221; a little injustice. I would want to point out distinctions between three things, the third of which you don&#8217;t mention at all (though you presumably fall under it):</p>
<p>1) Organised religion. The definition is obvious enough &#8211; specific sects of religious belief which make claims about events within and the functioning of our universe.</p>
<p>2) Religiosity. The more general predisposition to religious belief, which is characterised by faith in supernatural occurrences, and which many atheists argue is an evolutionary by-product.</p>
<p>3) A non-religious sense of awe and transcendence. This is the most important thing in this discussion, as many people allow religion a monopoly on our immense feelings of wonder and the bonding it permits. In fact, religiosity and/or organised religion are not necessary for their appreciation or manifestation. So while Haidt can argue that religion provides an avenue for their expression, it is not the ONLY one &#8211; non-religious ones are possible, as evidenced by the majority of atheists who adore art, culture, and the cosmos. Religiosity, therefore, is rightly viewed as a complex façade which takes advantage of more basic, non-religious, innate impulses.</p>
<p>Given this, I find it much less disingenuous to refer to this complex cultural feeling as the numinous, or as transcendence, rather than &#8220;religiosity&#8221; &#8211; the latter term is as useless as &#8220;spirituality&#8221; and, by association, lends credibility to organised religion, the claims of which would still not be true even if religiosity were biologically selected for.</p>
<p>I would also point out that the Wilsons&#8217; ideas are enormously disliked by the biological community, and the arguments for religiosity from a group-selection perspective ignore decades of advances in evolutionary understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: sammcnerney</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1588</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While - there is evidence for both, which is what I outlined. What&#039;s not clear is what evidence is strongest. The byproduct hypothesis was popular for many years. It seems like group selection is making a comeback. 

There are plenty of reasons to believe that it is an adaptation, but nothing is conclusive yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While &#8211; there is evidence for both, which is what I outlined. What&#8217;s not clear is what evidence is strongest. The byproduct hypothesis was popular for many years. It seems like group selection is making a comeback. </p>
<p>There are plenty of reasons to believe that it is an adaptation, but nothing is conclusive yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Boone (@RobertSBoone)</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Boone (@RobertSBoone)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful piece- although you neglect to mention that Haidt says &quot;I can&#039;t be certain if the staircase [transcendence] is an adaptation rather than a bug.&quot; From what I can tell, there&#039;s no evidence one way or the other. If it is an adaptation, yes, the implications are profound. There&#039;s no reason yet to believe that&#039;s the case, though. Or am I missing something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful piece- although you neglect to mention that Haidt says &#8220;I can&#8217;t be certain if the staircase [transcendence] is an adaptation rather than a bug.&#8221; From what I can tell, there&#8217;s no evidence one way or the other. If it is an adaptation, yes, the implications are profound. There&#8217;s no reason yet to believe that&#8217;s the case, though. Or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: sammcnerney</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sammcnerney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks a lot Bobby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot Bobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://whywereason.com/2012/03/29/religion-evolution-what-the-new-atheists-overlook/#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bobby Fernandez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are an intelectually honest non-believer Sam. Superb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an intelectually honest non-believer Sam. Superb.</p>
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